darkndeviant (darkndeviant) wrote in bible_study,
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Apocolypse

I have a theory...admittedly a questionable one, which is why I open it here for debate.

I note that Jesus talks about the Apocolypse after having a bit of a rant at the Pharisees. Is it possible that:

a) he only thought of it as an extension of that rant
b) having thought of it, he decided it was a good idea...and thus backed it up with Revelations to Paul later on
c) he knew all along (are there earlier references to the Apocolypse than where Jesus talks about it in the NT gospels?) but that seemed an appropriate time to mention it

Whatever the origin and motivation, may I ask who here is feeling the End Times close to hand?
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i'm not quite sure about that yet, since i dedicated my love to Jesus less then a year ago. so i'm still semi-new to many bible references and all that.

but lately i have this overwhelming sense that the end times are very close.

everyone is talking about the 'end of the world' coming by global warning. and i can sure speach for that fact that the weather has been just crazy. but i feel almost as if that is a sign. there is all this scientific evidence that the earth is in danger. well, Jesus has to come back before the earth can be destroyed, right?

if you haven't already read it, i strongly suggest reading 'are we living in the end times?' its by jerry b. jenkins, the same person who helped write the tribulation series.
We cannot really know what anyone else thinks. Do you mean the Revelation (Apocalypse) to John? Common Christian understanding is that Jesus is God, and therefore omniscient, which means that he thinks of everything simultaneously.

who here is feeling the End Times close to hand?

This has been a common belief amongst Christians since the first century. That does not mean that anyone who feels this way now is necessarily wrong, but it does indicate that the feeling itself is not proof.
Your thoughts are very interesting and something a lot of people are probably thinking. So many of the signs that the New Testament speaks of that need to happen before Christ would return have happened...however it will get much worse. Our culture has been so isolated from problems like War for a while as far as being directly involved and such, so for the people over in the Middle East, it has probably felt like the end of the world was coming soon for a long time. The Bible definitely indicates that war with Israel will be a definite indicator to be prepared for Christ's return, but it also says that noone knows the hour in which Christ will come back. For me, I don't worry too much about the world ending since I won't be here, but with the signs having been prophesied, and people wondering what is going on, it's a very good opportunity to expose them to the truths of God's word. I don't know if I've helped at all but that's my thoughts on the topic for today.

God said that no one can know the hour, but if we pay attention to the signs that we could know the season. ((though i do NOT believe that He means a season as in 'spring, winter' any of that))

Anonymous

May 19 2007, 03:48:37 UTC 9 years ago

David Reagan of lion and lamb ministries (google him) would be a great source to help you understand. Olivetreeviews.org with Jan Markel is good. In 1 thess I believe, it says that we who are children of the light are not in the dark about Jesus' coming ( rapture) and that as we see the day approach, we are to comfort one another in this.
c) Ezekiel, Daniel, Zechariah, and Joel all have apocalyptic passages.

Anonymous

January 24 2007, 19:35:21 UTC 10 years ago

I read the apocolyptic passages in Daniel. Will check out Ezekiel, Zechariah and Joel. Thanks for that :)
People have been feeling like the end times have been close at hand since a couple hundred years AD.

Anonymous

May 19 2007, 03:54:14 UTC 9 years ago

Peter in 1st peter or 2nd peter said that nan sayers would come too, and say that everything has remained the same, except he goes on to say, that they were forgetting the first great judgement of God's hand on the world which was the world wide flood of Noah's day. Jesus and Paul also said that the climate of the day in which he would return would be spiriutal apathy for truth and God, but increased spriritual deception of all sorts. Look around and see that very day drawing nearer? He said those who were blinded and did not have the love of truth, would not see what so clearly the eyes of the authentic church do. So, you tell me..which catagory do you fall into? Think your soul is worth checking it out? Olivetreeviews.org
One thing you have to remember, is that Armageddon is a prophecy. Prophecy often has what is called foreshadowing. We have experienced many foreshadowings of the antichrist throughout history. We have also experienced foreshadowing of Armageddon. I'm sure the plagues of previous centuries have raised the same thoughts and fears.

For me it is something of a non-issue. It will happen when it happens, and God will either warn me, or he won't. There is no point in worrying about it, when if I simply focus on God and on Jesus, I will be saved from it.

Anonymous

May 19 2007, 04:02:38 UTC 9 years ago

We are to be waiting for the son to come for his bride, we are to be watching and we are to be doing good works and abiding. One of the good works is to study to show thy self approved, meaning you know scripture. Meaning you are sharing that teaching with others, because, while you may be saved, there is a huge body of make- believe christians that are unaware of their true spiritual status. Read Matthew 7 especially verse 21- 24? And Matthew 25. We are to warn those who are deceived as we see the days growing darker and his coming nearer. Read your bible and let it ignite your passion for Jesus and for the damned who desperately need him, but are living in an age of spiritual apathy for truth and deception of every sort. They don't know they need him, so that is our job to share with them how to be saved. Anything beyond that is disobediance. Please read reinventingjesuschrist.com a free e-book by Warren Smith- if that does not get you motivated- nothing will.
I am not unmotivated. I simply believe that teaching and leading by example is the best way to go about it, and should be our primary focus. You should read the passages (can't remember specific scriptural reference) about the splinter v. the plank in the eye for insight into my perspective.

Only when you are right with God can you teach another to be right with God.

Also, those who are not ready to believe are like brick walls. All of your words, and scriptures, and sermons simply bounce off the armor they've built either from doubt, or bitterness, or rebellious nature. In fact, if they are just the wrong sort of words, they may result in the wall simply becoming thicker and more sturdy.

What it boils down to for me is that Jesus taught primarily by example, and only resorted to exhortation when necessary. I prefer not to beat people over the head with the Bible, but rather to lead them down the path of God.

Anonymous

May 19 2007, 03:43:21 UTC 9 years ago

Read reinventingjesuschrist.com a free ebook by Warren Smith and it will blow your mind. Go to Roger Oakland's site at eith oneplace.com or understandthetime.org and www.gv247.tv and Jan Markel's olivetreeviews.org and see that there is a growing concern by these great authentic and watchful Christians that not only are we in the end times, but the very deception of the world and the church and the forming of the whore are under way. We are being set up for deception. These people I have sited, particulatly the Warren Smith helps make it all make sense.
The bible amazes me in showing just how accurate it really is in predicting how the pieces of the puzzle are fitting together.

Anonymous

May 19 2007, 03:44:21 UTC 9 years ago

Read reinventingjesuschrist.com a free ebook by Warren Smith and it will blow your mind. Go to Roger Oakland's site at eith oneplace.com or understandthetime.org and www.gv247.tv and Jan Markel's olivetreeviews.org and see that there is a growing concern by these great authentic and watchful Christians that not only are we in the end times, but the very deception of the world and the church and the forming of the whore are under way. We are being set up for deception. These people I have sited, especially Warren Smith helps make it all make sense.
The bible amazes me in showing just how accurate it really is in predicting how the pieces of the puzzle are fitting together.
I believe speculation to be unproductive. I agree with the earlier comment that we can feel a sense of the times and perhaps make personal preparation but that is all. We risk much with alarmist speculations about such things and I believe it does potential damage to the prospect of convincing non-believers of the truth of the gospel. I am not convinced alarmism about end-times is the most fruitful way to present faith in Christ. Just my opinion and I am a dolt.